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  1. Richard Pearce
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  3. Tuesday, November 06 2012, 10:28 AM
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This has been discussed before, but I want to raise the issue of the Joomla sample data again. Think back to when you first learnt Joomla. Assuming you started with the Joomla sample data, did you find this approach helpful or not? That is was it easiest to add-on to the existing sample data, or would you have preferred to start with an empty site and learn how to build it up from nothing? Please complete the poll below and feel free comment too.
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I was introduced to Joomla because my boss had a website built and that's what was used. It falls to me to add content. I am a certified arborist by trade(think trees)but I have built websites using FrontPage and Intuit so I am not unfamiliar but I'm still a newbie. When I went to build a website that I have hosted through Go Daddy I chose to use Joomla(WordPress sucks). I initially loaded the version with the sample data because I had been watching the tutorials and they referred to it. When I was ready to build my website I had no clue how to get rid of the sample data so I deleted that version and uploaded again without the sample data.
I did not answer the poll question because I think the sample data helps. The problem is, having an easier way to get rid of it. Your suggestion of a tutorial on that is a good one. Or how about a "delete sample data" button. Probably not that easy.
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Ian Hayward Accepted Answer
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You nailed it for me mate.

WAY back when, having the sample data helped me get acquainted, so to speak. But I soon learned it was more of a hindrance than a help and trying to get rid of it was a nightmare! I soon learned it was easier to start with a fresh install and opted never to install it.

I've gone for option 2 above, but to be strictly fair, if you're an absolute beginner I'd install it so you've got some toys in the playpen - BUT under the strict proviso that you do a fresh, no sample data, install when you start to put together your own site.

Ian
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On the face of it, it sounds like good sense to start off with a sample to copy and build on. The sample data is certainly good stuff, so much so that I've created a local site, retaining the sample data as my reference.

While the BaJW videos are most helpful, especially for beginners, the tutorials in the sample data are also very good, basic training.

I've found the sample data a confusing heap of junk in the way when trying to develop a new site, both as a raw beginner and now that I've found my way around a bit.

It's a bit like trying to do some job down the shed with the parts of half finished projects spread all over the floor and benches, or trying to hand bake a loaf of bread with clutter, crumbs and dirty dishes on the kitchen bench. I need to have a good clean up before I start.

A couple of times I've tried to help someone in their backend, amid the clutter of the sample data. I haven't known what was their precious work and what was the sample data, making it pretty hard to figure out where they've gone wrong, and with all the clutter, the newbie has no hope of finding his way around. More menus and modules than what you can poke a stick at!

I doubt that I'll ever help in such a case again unless the person is looking over my shoulder, telling me what's good and what's rubbish, as I delete the sample dater in order to get a good look at the real site.

Of course, I realise that my strong negative opinions and assertions about the sample data fly in the face of Richard's tutorials and the joomla.org tutorials, but that's how it is for me.
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