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I manage 270+ Joomla websites and I have been looking for several years for a way to manage them from a central location. I had though that Nooku might come through as this was something they was looking at doing but they have since changed directions.

I know my situation is shared by a large number of webmasters and I would love to hear about others solutions to this problem? The only solutions that are available that I can see are more for sharing databases, users and content but my need is to control the extensions and core updates without having to visit each one every time an update is released. It is so time consuming and I am finding as I grow this is becoming a logistics nightmare and I am losing track and missing a site here and there. It is more so an issue with the likes of JCE and Akeeba that push updates out only to have one or two more within days because the developer failed to get it right the first time.

Any ideas you have to share on this (Anyone)???
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Will try Ian, I have been at it for over a year and although I think I am close there is always something else that needs to be done or debugged. I am determined to make this work though and this forum is one place I will post to when I figure it out.
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Hi Kevin - keep us posted on your progress!

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Hi Ian, I got my invite as well and found the same limitations that you did. Not what I am looking for and JAdmin gives me a bit more control, one time cost with no monthly fee and it is much cheaper overall.

In line with what I am looking to do I still need to go and download the extensions and upload them to a repository. Then the update is pushed to the sites that have it installed without any further actions from me. The ultimate solution would have access to the download without having to download and then upload. That would not be fair to the developer though as he would assume the bandwidth. In a perfect world even that cost could be shared somehow.
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Kevin

I got myself an invite to beta test admincredible and have been trying it out with a few sites. Whilst it does place all sites in one dashboard, you still need to go through and update each site individually. That's not a great improvement really.

Some extensions I use (like SliderCK) seem to bring out a new version every week - and it never seems to update from the Extension Manager: Update. I always need to go to their site, download the new version etc. (Which leads me to think I need something easier to deal with). Admincredible picked up the need for a new version - but it tripped over the update as well.

Pricing is to be as follows:

Steve Burge (Admincredible)

Thanks indeed, Ian

I've just sent you an invite.

Please let us know what you think.

We're in beta at the moment but will have a launch offer next week. The offer will 100 sites for $100 for 1 year.

Regards

Steve


So that's another $100/year you'll need to stick your hand in your pocket for!

Ian
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Kevin, I think you nailed in your comment about everything going to a service with a monthly fee. Joomla's segmented approach even adds another detention to that considering many extension need to be purchased or rented based on the number of websites. It's like buying a hammer and then paying for it based on how many nails you pound into the boards each month. The software dynamic is changing. I am still using Quickbooks from the 90's because it fits what I use it for. I would not make sense for me to upgrade every year and have to pay additional fees. I do know considering the dynamic nature of websites, many business' are getting touchy about additional charges every time they change an image or two. While on-line web software, like Joomla, does make some things easier it also adds new challenges to the game. I am an old coder but I much prefer downloading an extension rather than trying to code from scratch, especially considering the budget many business' have today.
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As with everything there are two sides to the story. From where I set any Joomla user that manages 50+ websites and does not know how to do things such as a cron job or work with the application we are discussing then they really do not deserve to be called a webmaster at all and this conversation was not intended for them to begin with!

The point I make with SaaS is not that there is no value but rather everything that can be controlled on the web, accessed with a browser or other application is no longer sold as a stand alone application (even though it could be). In my case I currently spend over $2200 a month on these services because I need them. At every turn there is something else I need and there is no other way to get it but to be suckered into another monthly fee. Many of the software applications that I used to have are no longer available as a stand alone application and now I have to pay another monthly fee if I want to continue using it. For example Microsoft office, I can still purchase the stand alone app for a hefty premium (That will not be available in the next release) that can only be seen as a penalty for not wanting to pay monthly.

The bids I used to make for my clients are null and void and with each additional service I am forced to raise my price. I am old school, from a time when I could purchase a program and had full control of the app and only paid out more when I needed to update the software or add some functionality.

For new comers to the webmaster world your position seems perfectly acceptable even though all logic has been thrown out the window as far as I am concerned. I will go out of my way to keep my expenses down so that I can provide services at a value, and knowing what is being offered could be put into a standalone application but is not based only on the fact that people like you see it as a value and have no problem forking out your hard earned cash each month. I know all this sounds perfectly on the up and up and with some applications there is no other way to do it but greed is the deciding factor why most of these services are now becoming more and more common and has nothing to do with technology limitations only working as a service.
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Any analogy with a knowledge deficit will suffice. Many Joomla users have difficulty setting up a crontask, let alone the type of application we're discussing here. If you can do it, then there is not as much value to you. If you can't, then the app can be invaluable.
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Really should have picked a better analogy Victor. Not just anyone can setup and operate a server so yes that service is a value. Anyone with the skill to setup and build a Joomla site can setup and operate software to manage it. Therefor there is no need to pay someone else to manage the software. That is my point and by the way I setup and run my own servers so in reality you are talking to my web host...;)
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SaaS is not for everyone, but certainly it can provide value. Just ask your web host :)
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Thanks Victor, that looks like an option, but looking at this further I think I am going to continue to develop my in house system. It seems like everyone wants a chunk of me payable by the month and I like to give a value to my clients. I cannot do that when I am charged a monthly fee at every turn for something that I can purchase a program (or in this case build one) that will work without the constant nagging for more money.

Software as a Service (SaaS) is going to be the death of value!
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Give https://watchful.li a try. It does backups, updates and remote monitoring.
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O boy as soon as I read who was developing this tool the first thing I though of was paGOCommerce. So glad you mentioned that because that was a real bummer to get excited only to hear nothing, ask and get told nothing for so long and still there is nothing concrete about this solution available. Upside is I ended up falling in love with Magento in that time and now there is no other cart solution that I would ever try again.

Yes sir, you are on the same page as I am with this and I too tried to put something together and just did not have the time to dedicate to making it a reality. Hopefully this does become a reality and not end up like paGO and I hope it has a realistic price tag that I can afford...
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Thanks a bunch Richard, this looks to be exactly what I need. I signed up and hopefully will be invited to help beta this tool and get it to the masses. This has been something that the Joomla community has been in need of for a very long time!
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Not sure if this will do the job, but you might like to keep your eye out for the release of Admincredible. Link below.
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  1. http://admincredible.com/
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I have already been down that road but not having any success. The ideal solution is to control this from the desktop which JAdmin has done a good job of but it is very buggy.
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The only other thing I can think of is to create a combination of custom cron and php scripts. Cron would be necessary to check on your extensions periodically. The PHP scripts would then be tasked with implementing the actual updates. It may also be possible to have everything done through a custom Joomla plugin.
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Thanks Tristan, yes I have a small team but still want to automate the bulk of this problem. I have looked at the extensions you mentioned but the fall short in a big way for what I need. The one that comes the closest to helping me out is JAdmin from CMSFruit. Although it only centralizes the tasks but does speed things up.

Les - There is always the issue of something going wrong and I agree there has to be redundancy built in. I have automated the backup process and maintain an extensive library of backups. Any solution that I find would have to create a backup prior to performing any update. I still would manually update sites that are of critical importance or that have custom extensions.

The biggest thing is to be able to automate (or simplify) the install of Joomla updates and that of the common extensions that I use on a large scale such as Akeeba Backup, Admin Tools and JCE Editor etc...
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Maybe I'm a bit gun shy but automatically updating that may sites at one time would seem to be a nightmare waiting to happen. What would you do if an update suddenly shut down 20 or thirty sites? I tend to error on the side of caution but that's just me. I would especially be concerned with the E-commerce sites, considering they are affecting someones livelihood.
Part of my comment is making the assumption many sites do have varied Extensions depending on their functionality.
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Hi Kevin,

I've struggled with this same issue for quite some time myself but I haven't found a suitable solution either. There is the option of using a multiple-site installation extension such as MightySites or MultiSites. Never tried either though. Do you manage all 270+ sites on your own or do you have a team?
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  1. http://blogomunity.com/joomla-extensions/administration/multisites-manager.html
  2. http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/core-enhancements/multiple-sites/5550/visit
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