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I have been designing templates in Artisteer for nearly a year now and enjoy the link with Joomla, in that changes can be made to any template in order to get the exact look and feel.
I recently updated to Artisteer 4 and started to design a template for a Chinese Restaurant. I was looking at the site I was building on my tab and suddenly discovered that when I turned the tab sideways the template changes. I then took out my blackberry phone and found that the site adjusted to that screen as well. Responsive templates are standard in the new Artisteer 4 and there is no need for any additional coding. I am also able to design exactly what my clients are looking for in a website. Joomla and Artisteer are good Buddies in my book.
Regards, Gerald
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    Tuesday, October 23 2012, 03:39 AM - #permalink
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    Ian
    Thanks, I will have a look, my reason was more about the page layout than content.

    Have we just about done this topic, I think that we should close this thread down, bye all.
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    Tuesday, October 23 2012, 03:17 AM - #permalink
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    Mike - I can see why you'd find that useful. You might like to have a look at Content Templater from Peter at NoNumber - http://www.nonumber.nl/extensions/contenttemplater - I've found it excellent for repetitive page setups.

    I feel very sprightly at 58!

    Ian
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    Tuesday, October 23 2012, 03:11 AM - #permalink
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    Hi Mike,
    This has nothing to do with Artisteer or Joomla.
    I had a good laugh at your comment to Ian that you do not have all that amount of time because you are 71. Well I turned 70 a week ago and I simply love creating websites and trying to keep up with technology. Keep up the good work. Its great to know that there are people like you around.
    Regards Gerald Hazelhurst
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    Tuesday, October 23 2012, 02:48 AM - #permalink
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    Ian en all
    The reason I exported the Artisteer content is that I created within Artisteer all the page options from Blog to Tables, pages with various column/row layouts. With this I am now able to copy the code from any given page layout and paste it into the website that I am working on and it takes up the template styling. It just saves time and at 71, I don't have all that time left.
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    Tuesday, October 23 2012, 12:30 AM - #permalink
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    Hi Guys

    Les and I had a chat about tables a while back and reached the conclusion that if you left the settings blank in Artisteer, then you could do some manipulation in your Joomla editor - but only to a certain extent.

    I've not used Artisteer to import content - I haven't seen the need yet - but I'll bear your words in mind Mike.

    Ian
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    Tuesday, October 23 2012, 12:12 AM - #permalink
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    Les
    I don't know what your problem is with tables in Artisteer, but Troy from the Artisteer Forum did advise me that Artisteer stylesheets always override his setting on tables. Even if he deleted borders, when he ran the website the tables would have borders. I cannot say that I have had the same problem, but he assume me he did and the only way he could get around it was to create a supplementary css file.

    BTW, Ian has given me your email, I will send you an email shortly.
    Cheers
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 11:57 PM - #permalink
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    Thanks Mike for your tests. I like Artisteer and will continue to use it. The main purpose of all my comments were to make others aware of the variations so they didn't have to waste a lot of time figuring them out. (IE The Table Border and color settings and line spacing)
    I have my own business and as much as I like complements from customers I do learn more from criticism. If one customer is having an issue with something, the odds are others are having the same issue and are just to reserved to bring it up. Sometimes we can't modify our shortcomings but many times we can at least meet our customers half way. I have worked in the service industries for over 30 years and find most customers will see and appreciate your efforts to accommodate them. That being said, their are always exceptions but you can't dwell on the negative.
    This has been a great and educational discussion, I enjoy being part of this board.
    Les
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 07:14 PM - #permalink
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    Gerald
    From what I understand Artisteer 4.0 will work effectively with Joomla!3, but I haven't been able to get it to collapse the menu in the way Twitter Bootstrap does, they are working on it and say that Artisteer will be fully compatible with Joomla!3.5
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 06:52 PM - #permalink
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    Hi Guys,
    I have been reading with interest the discussion around Artisteer 4 and the difficulties.
    I remind myself, that Artisteer is not a utility written specifically for Joomla and therefore they will place their own restrictions on certain aspects.
    However when I discover a limitation, I have been generally been able to find a work around for myself.
    If one uses a template that has been designed for Joomla, there are also limitations imposed by the designers. Therefore, using Artisteer allows me far more freedom because I can go back and make changes until I have the look and feel I want.
    I cannot wait to see what Artisteer will do with Joomla 3, as there a some changes that will have to take place. By the way I have found that I can take an Artisteer 2.5 Joomla template into Joomla 3, but it will not take the content!
    Regards Gerald Hazelhurst ;)
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 04:17 PM - #permalink
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    Les en all

    Know here is a funny thing, I have just done a test to change the the font family and size created in Artisteer 4.0 using JCE.

    If I look to change what I have created within Joomla!, then the Artisteer styling isn't used, however, if I try to change content that I have imported as part of the Artisteer template, then it isn't changed. Then if, within Joomla!, I save and copy the imported content and create a new article, then JCE will override the Artisteer styling.

    Up until Artisteer 4.0 you always created content within Joomla!, but you do have the option to export from Artisteer the template and content, which is ruled by the Artisteer styling. However, it seems that if you copy and save that content and rework it within Joomla!, in this brief test, I could override the styling.

    That said, all I was doing was changing the font family and size settings.

    As I said in my original posting to make the type of changes that Les may need you may have the edit the Artisteer Stylesheets or create supplementary stylesheets and place them below the Artisteer stylesheets, so that for the specific area where you need to change, they are president over the original Artisteer stylesheets.
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 09:30 AM - #permalink
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    Hi Laurie,
    It's the inconsistency that is difficult to deal with. See the attached answer in the Artisteer Forum. It deals with tables. If a Border or table color is set in the Artisteer template and you then try to modify it in your Editor the Template rules prevail. I was able to get around the Border situation by saying "No Border" in the template and I could then add a border in the Editor. If a border was defined in the template, I could not remove it through the editor. Consistency of rules is important when learning new applications. While there may be exceptions, they should be few and reasonably thought out.
    Again, I asked Artisteer why they didn't offer a switch to turn this over ride on or off as wanted and they responded their template would take precedence.
    I am looking for the response from them so I can post it but it has been deleted from my account with Artisteer along with any closed support items.
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 08:54 AM - #permalink
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    G'day Les and others!

    The funny thing is I contacted Artisteer and they confirmed that the Template settings over ride any changes in the editor.

    That doesn't sound right to me, Fellas.

    In line styling always wins over on page styling and css styling.

    On page styling wins over css and inline styling wins over them both. It's the last in the source code that wins.

    Suggest you check the html after editing the style in the editor to see if it's correct and again after saving to be sure the styling code isn't stripped.

    Also check that the JCE styling code is valid code for your doctype. You may just need to update JCE.

    Beyond that, I dunno. There's something funny going on.
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 02:53 AM - #permalink
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    Hi Les

    I made a few changes to a 2.5.7 site with an Art 4 template and JCE editor before I posted - just to make sure I wasn't imagining things! Admittedly that wasn't line spacing just font size colour etc. And thanks Mike for the JCK video - I'm going to have a closer look at that!

    Les - as Mike already knows, I had a problem with the HTML editor not appearing in Art 4 - but reloading a fresh download fixed the problem. No idea how, as it was exactly the same version (4.0.0.58475) - but that's software for you!

    Ian
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 02:27 AM - #permalink
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    I think I will load up JCE and try that on a site. There must be some difference in what your gettig and what I'm getting. The funny thing is I contacted Artisteer and they confirmed that the Template settings over ride any changes in the editor. I did find this in the Artisteer 4 Beta version. They may have changed it with the final release.
    The examples I posted were ore about line spacing and were just done the other day.
    I'll update the thread once I go over again. There are a lot of variables.
    Les
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 01:50 AM - #permalink
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    Ian
    Neither do I, but I think that Les is having some problems, just trying to help, but then again, I maybe confusing the issue.
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 01:44 AM - #permalink
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    Les

    I use Artisteer and JCE and just don't recognise this problem. Sure I set standard parameters for text - say Arial 12 point as a global setting, as a jumble of different fonts is pretty disagreeable.

    This doesn't stop me changing out to whatever I want through the editor though - in my case JCE. I just highlight text and can change font, style, size colour etc as I wish and this is not overridden by the template.

    Ian
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    Monday, October 22 2012, 12:56 AM - #permalink
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    Les
    Forgive me, but I haven't read all of this thread, so I may have the wrong end of the stick. Not sure if this any use for your needs of editing selected elements of your website.

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    Saturday, October 20 2012, 04:57 AM - #permalink
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    Hi Mike, It's not a huge problem as much as it is the general concept. I suppose one question might be to people who use other Template design software. Do the other Template generators over ride the editors choices?
    I'm not saying my way is right for everyone but it would be simple for Artisteer to have an option that said "Undefined". If undefined were selected the template would use whatever Joomla had defined. Don't pick one way, give the user an option.
    I appreciate the offer Mike but I've worked my way around it for now.
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    Saturday, October 20 2012, 03:36 AM - #permalink
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    Les
    How extensive is the work that you are doing, are you looking to change some part of an article or is it more wide spread, give me some idea what the overall objective is and I will give it some thought.
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    Saturday, October 20 2012, 02:54 AM - #permalink
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    Hi Mike, just to give you an example. Two images are attached. One is "Editor" view and one is "Site" view.
    The editor view shows what was entered and saved in the editor. Notice the line spacing as defined from the "Style" drop down. The Site view shows what actually displays on the site. The Template over rides the changes made in the editor. I have figured out in some cases, if I don't select an option in the Template per default font, size, color I can then define them in Joomla. When I asked Artisteer about this, they were unaware of this work around. They explained their intent was to define everything in the template.
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